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    <title>Infinite Eureka - my new website &amp;amp; social network</title>
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    <author>
      <name>neekos</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/4fb39a6c-1c3a-42d3-bce6-b8d12da6fc8f</id>
    <updated>2008-05-17T11:22:13Z</updated>
    <published>2008-05-17T11:22:13Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hi All,
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I just posted this as a listing in this tribe and then realised that most people (including myself) don't even see the listings, haha..
&lt;br/&gt;So here it is again:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I have just finished a micro site to support my first book which I am currently putting together and you are cordially invited to have a look, create a profile and get involved. The general purpose of my book is to provide the tools/ideas necessary to catalyse a shift in perspective on a global level, such that we can literally create heaven.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Sounds pretentious right? Impossible? Not to me.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The web address for the informational site is http://www.infiniteeureka.com and the social network is at http://infiniteeureka.ning.com .
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I look forward to reading your comments, criticisms, ideas and whatever else you want to write. Feel free to say whatever you like, that's the whole point!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Still here? What are you waiting for? hehe..
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;8)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Peacefully and with love to all,
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Nick &lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>neekos</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-17T11:22:13Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Future of Computers - Jefferson Y. Han</title>
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    <author>
      <name>jori</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/9f0f39f6-b00f-49f7-a581-6acea0c3a7e7</id>
    <updated>2006-08-17T10:15:33Z</updated>
    <published>2006-08-17T10:15:33Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I found this amazing video abaout a future user interface
&lt;br/&gt;created and performed by Jefferson Y. Han. Never seen 
&lt;br/&gt;a so fantastic outview in the future of usability and where
&lt;br/&gt;software goes. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://cyberiannomad.blogspot.com/2006/08/amazing-futuresystem-by-jefferson-y.html&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>jori</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-08-17T10:15:33Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>The web of DREAMS</title>
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    <author>
      <name>CLAYTON</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/ee242563-7f2e-4007-bbba-6cb99b875a81</id>
    <updated>2006-08-08T09:46:21Z</updated>
    <published>2006-08-08T09:45:33Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Sacred geometry, universal energy, IBVA experiments linked with real time video, the opportunity to study yourself and others in a lucid REM state with state of the art equipment, recorded experiences, thousands of lights, music and more create “The Web Of Dreams”! An Interactive art piece symbolizing the connection of all things and how what you choose affects everything. It is designed to generate life-changing breakthroughs! 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Allow yourself while in the Web to work through your fear and be inspired to make new empowering choices that create more hope for your future! Those who choose to be wrapped and suspended in the Web may discover that resistance creates the persistence of fear but acceptance allows for the disappearance of fear. Shed your fixed beliefs and ways of being while inside the Web and step into a new world of increased hope and possibility! 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The web will offer up personal truths, it will offer up hope and dreams, it will offer a true reflection of how what you choose (hope or fear) affects the outcome of your future in a clear representation in the present moment. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;“The Web of Dreams” will be placed 1300 ft from the man at 1:30. We will be doing IBVA EXPEREMENTS ALL WEEK. This will give us a chance to look at what is going on in the brain as someone is experiencing what ever they might be experiencing, Think of the possabilities. If this intrest you at all I encourage you to look at our web site and find out more about what we are creating on the playa this year. please if you are interested RESPOND TO THIS POST. LET ME KNOW YOU ARE INTERESTED. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;We got a late start on this idea but we know, with some help from the community, we can still pull it off (no fear only hope). We have most everything we need but if the opportunity to assist others in breaking through their fear and gaining more hope and possibility inspires you we invite you to become a part of the “Web Team” and help in anyway you can. We are looking for people to fill volunteer shifts, donate money (we still need over $1,000) or any supplies we still need please contact me on Tribe or directly: 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;CLAYTON AND TERRY ALLRED 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;801-523-7094 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;For more info on the “Web Of Dreams” or to donate few dollars today(every little bit will help)by Pay Pal check out the web site at: webofdreams.home.comcast.net/ 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I truly look forward to the most amazing experience on the Playa with you and may all of your fears serve you in the end to achieve all your hopes! 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Love, 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Clayton 
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    <dc:creator>CLAYTON</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-08-08T09:45:33Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>new conceptual framework?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>MarkPLine</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/5d7aab2b-e75a-426e-abf2-87620ae9058e</id>
    <updated>2006-05-31T21:47:23Z</updated>
    <published>2004-10-01T00:34:37Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;The blurb for this tribe says something about a new conceptual framework. Although the vision presented there is still vague, it does remind me of my work on the semiotics of complex systems. There's an early draft ontology here:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.polymathix.com/papers/ThinkingSigns.html
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Since there seems to be a bit of interest in this tribe, but it's had a hard time getting started, maybe this paper will at least provide some fodder -- even if the outcome is "No, Mark, organic programming is nothing like that. Crawl back under your rock!" :)&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>MarkPLine</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-10-01T00:34:37Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>inspiration</title>
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    <author>
      <name>phil</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/1ee83437-42bd-4ff5-a1be-25040dedce97</id>
    <updated>2004-12-15T03:54:35Z</updated>
    <published>2004-12-15T03:54:35Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;http://www.patternlanguage.com/archive/ieee/ieeetext.htm&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-12-15T03:54:35Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Big Ball of Mud</title>
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    <author>
      <name>phil</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/0d59dd77-2eb4-4e21-b984-069b8b2d7e80</id>
    <updated>2004-10-10T17:48:13Z</updated>
    <published>2004-08-11T14:05:36Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Something to talk about ...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.laputan.org/mud/mud.html
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;comments?&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-08-11T14:05:36Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Pots, Kettles, Specifications and Andy Warhol</title>
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      <name>phil</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/399845ac-20d0-40c6-b208-aad77df2c7d1</id>
    <updated>2004-10-08T20:15:24Z</updated>
    <published>2004-08-22T20:41:53Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;http://www.teledyn.com/mt/archives/002105.html
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Comments?&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-08-22T20:41:53Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>So let's get started.</title>
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      <name>phil</name>
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    <updated>2004-09-08T17:22:33Z</updated>
    <published>2004-06-16T21:03:30Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Looks an interesting tribe. Why no discussion?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Is "organic programming" about programming for more organically inspired computers. Or is it more about organic ways of developing software?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I seem to remember that Alan Kay was inspired by biological cells when he invented object orientation. Is this the kind of thing we're talking about?
&lt;br/&gt;
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    <dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-06-16T21:03:30Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Saved Macro as technique for learning programming</title>
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    <author>
      <name>zby</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/2e6508fc-bcf2-422f-8bf5-849c32fcfc33</id>
    <updated>2004-08-12T14:25:50Z</updated>
    <published>2004-08-12T14:25:50Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I hope this will be on topic here.  Reposted from my wiki at: http://zby.aster.net.pl/kwiki/index.cgi?SavedMacro
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Some applications let you save a sequence of your actions into some textual representation that later can be replayed. Examples of them: Excel with saving into Visual Basic scripts, Emacs with saving into emacs lisp, unix shells with editable history files. This page is devoted to analysis of many advantages of this functionality.
&lt;br/&gt;Saved Macros for Learning of Programming
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Advantages for learners of the art of programming:
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;    * the user does not need to learn programming before it can use it, she can use it for automation of some mundane tasks with zero knowlege of the programming language used
&lt;br/&gt;    * it induces natural curiosity in the user who would like to peek into the saved programs
&lt;br/&gt;    * the user can herself generate the most relevant examples from his own work with the application
&lt;br/&gt;    * the language can be learned on an 'as needed' basis with very fine grained steps (the first point is really only a conclusion of this)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Saved Macros as a Method of Programming
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;One example of the advantages of interactivity over batch mode are spreadsheets. All the data manipulating you do in a spreatsheet you can program in a scripting language like Perl, so why we use spreadsheets for them? My answer is better InterActivity of the spreadsheets - after each manipulation you immediately see the output of it, if you miss you can reverse it or adjust. It's like in shooting: aim, shoot, adjust and repeat. While with programming you need to close the program to a more or less finished form untill you can run it and see the results. Then, of course, you can again adjust the program and repeat the process, but obviously the loop is much longer than in the case of spreadsheets.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Yet there is one advantage of the programming way of solving the data manipulation problem. Once you program it you can run it multiple times with a minimal work overhead. What can we do to have both the interactivity of manual manipulation and repeatibility of programming? The answer is SavedMacro. You can grow your program by just saving your interactive sessions with the system/application.
&lt;br/&gt;Disadvantages
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;There is one quite severe disadvantage of this modus operandi - saving the seqence of operations does not save the whole context of those operations (the state of the application) so the communication capabillities of this method are much worse than the traditional approach of handwriting the whole code (from Re^5: Spreadsheets, HTTP::Recorder and interactivity by tilly). So it seems to be suited only for creating relatively small programs. Of course when we allready know that we can start to think about ways of relinguishing this constraint.
&lt;br/&gt;Saved Macros and the Future of Programming (some speculations)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;People use computers for more and more daily tasks and to use computer with the maximum power one needs to learn programming. We can expect that more and more people will learn how to program and SavedMacro seems to be the easiest way to do it: even if it remains constrained to creating only the most basic programs, that is what most of the users will ever need. And here is what I predict - the sheer number of its practitioners will eventually make it more important than the traditional ways of creating software. I guess this scenario is exactly what http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4300&amp;amp;t=innovation&amp;amp;nl=y referes to as New Market disruptive innovation.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;The prediction above calls for designing programming languages specificially for 'Recorded Macro' scripting and particulary for putting some effort for relinquishing the communication inefficiency of them (as described two paragraphs above).
&lt;br/&gt;Contra
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Saving a sequence of user action can generate only linear paths of execution. Loops, branches and recursion would have to be added manually anyway. &lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:creator>zby</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-08-12T14:25:50Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Organic Programming</title>
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    <author>
      <name>parasme</name>
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    <id>http://OrganicProgramming.tribe.net/thread/4de0e7c9-4788-464d-91b4-5af9de894d5a</id>
    <updated>2004-02-12T04:49:41Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I joined but now Im not sure what Organic Programming is?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;what is it?&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-02-12T04:49:41Z</dc:date>
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